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In the year since the Monitor鈥檚 last breakfast with Richard Trumka, president of the AFL-CIO, the world has changed dramatically. Unemployment a year ago was 3.7%; in July, the latest figure available, it was 10.2%.

A year ago, few Americans had heard the word 鈥渃oronavirus.鈥� Today, it remains the nation鈥檚 abiding challenge 鈥� keeping many children out of classrooms and adults away from workplaces, or risking their health to do work that must be done in person, or out of work altogether.

And the presidential election is two months away.

Mr. Trumka, questioned by reporters via Zoom at our annual pre-Labor Day get-together, spoke about the 2020 presidential race, the teachers鈥� and police unions, and his own future at the nation鈥檚 largest trade union federation. Here are excerpts, lightly edited for clarity:

Can Democratic nominee Joe Biden win back enough of the traditionally Democratic blue-collar workers who handed President Donald Trump the election four years ago in Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania?

鈥淔irst of all, I think that Joe Biden knows something that Donald Trump never has and probably never will 鈥� that if you want to restore the economy, first, you have to defeat the pandemic and to defeat the pandemic, you have to keep workers safe.鈥� [Biden] would bring back inspectors and enforcement of OSHA [Occupational Safety and Health Administration].

鈥淲orkers back in 2016 didn't think that either the economy or the political system was working for them. They were looking for someone who was going to change the rules to make the system work for them.

鈥淒onald Trump said, I鈥檓 going to change the rules on trade. I鈥檓 going to change the rules on manufacturing. I鈥檓 going to change the rules so that you can get ahead. After almost four years, he鈥檚 changed the rules, all right. But not to the benefit of working people.鈥�

What can teachers鈥� unions do to help schools reopen and get kids back in classrooms so the parents can really go back to work?

Look, every teacher out there wants to get back in the classroom. That's what they do and that's what they love. Teachers are fiercely protective of their students and the community where they do business. Right now, most school districts, many school districts don't have the resources necessary to be able to put kids back in the classroom safely so that they protect the students and protect the professional staff.

鈥淭he HEROES Act, by the way, if it were passed, would provide that aid to those schools and it would have helped us get kids back to school more quickly.鈥�

What about the International Union of Police Associations, which endorsed President Trump? Should the AFL-CIO discontinue its affiliation with IUPA?

鈥淧eople have told me that you ought to disaffiliate the police union鈥�. Let's assume I did that. They're gone. Now what?

鈥淣othing changes. The harder thing, quite frankly, is for us to engage them and get them to change their culture. And that's what we've started doing.

鈥淚 set up a task force to deal with systemic racism. And one of the subcommittees on that task force is dealing with the police officers and corrections officers. Because remember this: Many, many, many 鈥� most 鈥� officers are good, good citizens and are trying to do what's right.

鈥淭here are bad cops, and those bad cops need to be weeded out. And we need to help our members get the tools to weed those bad cops out and have police forces providing the type of safety that every community wants. So we've started that process.鈥�

Your third four-year term as AFL-CIO president ends in about a year. Will you run for reelection?

鈥淲ell, we鈥檒l see, won鈥檛 we?鈥�

If you decide not to, is the next AFL-CIO president a woman?

鈥淲ell, regardless of what I do the next time, I hope that the next president of the AFL-CIO is a woman.鈥�